{"id":10836,"date":"2023-02-03T20:44:26","date_gmt":"2023-02-03T21:44:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bestratefinders.com\/blog\/?p=10836"},"modified":"2023-02-03T22:04:47","modified_gmt":"2023-02-03T22:04:47","slug":"iain-valliere-believes-the-212-division-should-no-longer-exist-in-bodybuilding","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bestratefinders.com\/blog\/everything-else\/iain-valliere-believes-the-212-division-should-no-longer-exist-in-bodybuilding\/","title":{"rendered":"Iain Valliere Believes the 212 Division Should No Longer Exist in Bodybuilding"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>From the end of 2022 to the start of 2023, various notable figures in and around bodybuilding have had frank thoughts about the state of the sport. There was the iconic <a data-lasso-id=\"196379\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/arnold-schwarzenegger-charity-5-million-personal-training\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Arnold Schwarzenegger<\/a> expressing his fandom of reigning four-time Classic Physique Olympia champion <a data-lasso-id=\"196380\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/chris-bumstead-2023-arnold-classic-plans-mr-olympia\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Chris Bumstead<\/a> while noting the division <a data-lasso-id=\"196381\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/arnold-schwarzenegger-classic-physique-replace-mr-olympia\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">should be the Olympia weekend&#8217;s main event<\/a>. There was 1983 Mr. Olympia <a data-lasso-id=\"196382\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/chris-bumstead-samir-bannout-mens-open-2023-arnold-classic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Samir Bannout<\/a> lamenting that the Olympia qualification <a data-lasso-id=\"196383\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/samir-bannout-mr-olympia-qualification\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">isn&#8217;t rigid enough<\/a> and allows too many competitors. Now, Iain Valliere, an active bodybuilder, shared some recent strong thoughts on a prominent modern competitive category. <\/p>\n<p>On Feb. 2, 2023, Valliere appeared in a podcast episode with <em>Fouad Abiad Media<\/em>, discussing some of the latest pertinent bodybuilding topics like the <a href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/2023-arnold-classic-prize-money-increase\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-lasso-id=\"196384\">2023 Arnold Classic<\/a>. Among the more notable revelations was that the <a href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/2022-vancouver-pro-results\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-lasso-id=\"196385\">2022 Vancouver Pro champion<\/a> <strong>believes the 212 division should no longer be a viable professional division<\/strong>. <\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"video-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"container-lazyload preview-lazyload container-youtube js-lazyload--not-loaded\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LqZl3Vyyfqo\" class=\"lazy-load-youtube preview-lazyload preview-youtube\" data-video-title=\"GET RID OF THE 212? | Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Mike Van Wyck &amp; Guy Cisternino | Bro Chat #109\" title=\"Play video &quot;GET RID OF THE 212? | Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Mike Van Wyck &amp; Guy Cisternino | Bro Chat #109&quot;\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LqZl3Vyyfqo<\/a><noscript>Video can&#8217;t be loaded because JavaScript is disabled: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LqZl3Vyyfqo\" title=\"GET RID OF THE 212? | Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Mike Van Wyck &amp; Guy Cisternino | Bro Chat #109\">GET RID OF THE 212? | Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Mike Van Wyck &amp; Guy Cisternino | Bro Chat #109 (https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LqZl3Vyyfqo)<\/a><\/noscript><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<div class=\"is-layout-constrained wp-block-group is-style-call-out-bm-icon\">\n<p><em><strong>More from Breaking Muscle:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/deadlift-on-leg-or-back-day\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-lasso-id=\"196386\">Should You Train the Deadlift on Back Day or Leg Day?<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/pull-up-alternatives\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-lasso-id=\"196387\">The 4 Best Pull-Up Alternatives for Back Strength and Muscle<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<p>As standards for <a href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/powerbuilding\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-lasso-id=\"196574\">training<\/a> and quality <a data-lasso-id=\"196389\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/how-to-eat-more\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">nutrition<\/a> continue to grow, Valliere professed that he doesn&#8217;t see a place for 212 bodybuilders in the long run. He maintained that recent successful examples of 212 competitors like <a data-lasso-id=\"196390\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/nick-walker-derek-lunsford-rivalry-2023-arnold-classic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Derek Lunsford<\/a> and <a data-lasso-id=\"196391\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/shaun-clarida-weighs-190-pounds-2023-arnold-classic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Shaun Clarida<\/a>, who have transitioned to and <a data-lasso-id=\"196392\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/derek-lunsford-2023-arnold-classic-2023-olympia-plans\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">competed well in the Men&#8217;s Open<\/a>, demonstrate that there isn&#8217;t much of a need for the 212 anymore. <\/p>\n<p>As such, the athlete said the division&#8217;s existence is redundant and that it should be absorbed into the Men&#8217;s Open. <\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>\u201cIf a 175 or 180-pound Shaun [Clarida] comes in and is beating 290-pound, 6-feet guys, you really have no [expletive] case for keeping the 212 [division], to be honest.\u201d&nbsp;Valliere said. \u201cBecause I still think the guys that are really [expletive] driven to be the best, would stick out a few years of getting [expletive] on if they believed in their heart. Like the Derek&#8217;s (Lunsford] of the world, would have stuck that [expletive] out and been in the Men\u2019s Open and would have ended up where they are.\u201d<strong><em>&nbsp;<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>After receiving pushback and counterarguments from his fellow podcasters, including retired 212 bodybuilder Guy Cisternio and retired Men&#8217;s Open competitor Fouad Abiad, Valliere made a reasonable analogy between basketball and bodybuilding, pointing out how the cream usually rises to the top without accommodations.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>&#8220;That\u2019s the same thing as saying guys that are, like, 5-foot-10 shouldn\u2019t pursue basketball and that we should make a shorter net for the guys that are shorter. It\u2019s stupid.\u201d Valliere explained. \u201cWith 212, I just think a lot of those guys could end up in the [Men&#8217;s] Open just like it used to be, and be fine.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Ultimately, to Valliere, nixing the 212 division is about the more talented athletes winning out and allowing them to compete in the most elite circumstances. <\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>\u201cNo matter how much I train, I\u2019m not going to be as big as Ramy [Mamdouh &#8220;Big Ramy&#8221; Elssbiay] or as fast as Usain Bolt,\u201d Valliere said. \u201cSome guys won\u2019t be as good as Derek [Lunsford], some guys won\u2019t be as tall as Yao Ming, it\u2019s just the [expletive] reality. 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font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; line-height:17px; margin-bottom:0; margin-top:8px; overflow:hidden; padding:8px 0 7px; text-align:center; text-overflow:ellipsis; white-space:nowrap;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/Cnw3MSqrO4J\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" style=\" color:#c9c8cd; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; line-height:17px; text-decoration:none;\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">A post shared by E-in Val-e-air (@iainvalliere)<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.instagram.com\/en_US\/embeds.js\"><\/script><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<div class=\"is-layout-constrained wp-block-group is-style-call-out-bm-icon\">\n<p><strong><em>More from Breaking Muscle:<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/reverse-biceps-curl\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-lasso-id=\"196393\">How to Do the Reverse Biceps Curl for Complete Arm Development<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/dumbbell-split-squat\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-lasso-id=\"196394\">How to Do the Dumbbell Split Squat for Single-Leg Size and Strength<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<p>Valliere might have a right to possess his strong opinion on the future of the 212, but, at the time of this writing, competitive organizers don&#8217;t appear to have any meaningful plans toward falling in lockstep with his idea. <\/p>\n<p>As for Valliere&#8217;s individual exploits, the Men&#8217;s Open bodybuilder is coming off an 11th-place finish at the <a href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/hadi-choopan-wins-2022-mr-olympia\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-lasso-id=\"196395\">2022 Mr. Olympia<\/a>. According to <em>NPC News Online<\/em>, the result was the second-lowest of his career, with a 14th-place finish at the 2018 iteration standing as his worst. To this day, Valliere&#8217;s best Mr. Olympia output was back-to-back placings in seventh in 2020 and 2021. <\/p>\n<p>With the 2023 competitive season still in its early stages, if he qualifies for the contest, he&#8217;ll undoubtedly be seeking a rebound during the <a data-lasso-id=\"196396\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/2023-mr-olympia-date-confirmed-orlando-florida\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2023 edition<\/a>, November 3-5 in Orlando, FL.<\/p>\n<p><em>Featured image: @iainvalliere on Instagram<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The post <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\/iain-valliere-remove-212-division-mens-open-bodybuilding\/\">Iain Valliere Believes the 212 Division Should No Longer Exist in Bodybuilding<\/a> appeared first on <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/breakingmuscle.com\">Breaking Muscle<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>From the end of 2022 to the start of 2023, various notable figures in and around bodybuilding have had frank thoughts about the state of the sport. There was the iconic Arnold Schwarzenegger expressing his fandom of reigning four-time Classic Physique Olympia champion Chris Bumstead while noting the division should be the Olympia weekend\u2019s main event. 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